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 Post subject: Turkeys' revenge
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:51 am 
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Damn turkeys got their revenge this morning. Gromit was chasing a flock of about 15 of them from our yard, and she tore her acl. Poor pup will need surgery to repair it, but that won't happen until next Wednesday because of the holiday.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:36 pm 
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Oh No!! I'm so sorry :( :cry


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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:04 pm 
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How awful! Poor baby... :cry

My cousin's little black cocker Gracie partially tore hers last month when I was throwing the ball for her in the back yard. She is on Rimadyl and the vet said it was healing. Is Gromit on anything while waiting for surgery?

Jennie sends a sloppy kiss for Gromit and we both send hugs for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:43 am 
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So sorry, it sure is heartbreaking to see our pups have injuries. My Zoey tore her acl last spring. She was 12, still actively running agility, and she tore it when we were irrigating. She pulled it out of some mud and it tore. We had three different opinions from the vets we saw, and it was very confusing!! One vet suggested letting it go, the scar tissue would grow and help stabilize her knee. Another vet suggested a TPLO, the gold standard. Our other option was a lateral suture, a procedure using 80# fish line. We opted to do the lateral suture and she is doing awesome!! (not 100%, but darn close) I retired her from agility, as she is almost 13 now and I don't want to risk her tearing the other side or her repaired side. This surgery was a great choice for her as she is older and weighs only 18#. The surgery only took about 20 minutes, cutting down on the time she would be under anesethsia(sp?), was considerable less expensive than a TPLO, (under $600 with x-rays and blood work), and really no rehab other than a couple of weeks of leashing her so that the suture could heal.
I don't know which surgery you have decided on, and I noticed that Gromit is younger than Zoey, so maybe a different surgery is better for you. Also, if you are going to continue agility, I would probably go with the TPLO.
Good luck with Gromit!!

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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:00 am 
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Gromit is on Rimadyl and Gabapentin while she waits for the surgery, which is scheduled for next Wednesday. Because of her age and size, my vet doesn't recommend the lateral suture. She said it's generally not done anymore for dogs larger than 20#, and Gromit is 28#. She's not fat, just a big cocker. I'll have to wait and see what the specialist recommends. I suspect that she'll retire from agility after this surgery. We weren't competing much anyway, just training for fun every week with a group who have been together for years. But since the vet warned me that after one goes it's not uncommon for the second one to give out too, why take the chance?

Fortunately, I have Embrace insurance for her, so that should really help with the cost. Since I've never filed a claim, my deductible is down to $350, and then Embrace will pay 80% of the remaining cost. Whew! I'll update when this is all over to share what the total costs were, and how the insurance worked out. This company was highly recommended by other forum members, so I'm confident that it will all work out.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:39 pm 
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Very sorry to hear about Gromit. I went through a torn ACL with Casey last winter, drove home from FL to NH so my vet could do the surgery(and watch the Super Bowl at home!) Had Embrace, no problem with payment, but my deductable was $950. I also went through 2 patella surgeries with Riley so half the knees in my dog family have been operated on. A few things I learned from our 3 surgeries:

Dasequin as a supplement-my vet recommended it and I have all 3 dogs on it. Expensive but worth it.

I used a very large crate and put the dogs on a very heavy comforter so instead of crawling in to get them I just pulled the comforter out with dog on it-much easier on everyone.

The first night of Rileys first patella surgery was awful, he cried in pain for a few hours-the meds from the surgery had worn off around 10 before the fentanyl patch kicked in around midnight, it was something I will never forget. The last two surgeries my vet put a block??? right on the area before he closed up and that worked great, no pain.

First few nights we slept on the floor so he could sprawl out.

I know you know this, but unless someone is awake overnight at the vets don't let them talk you into Gromit staying there alone unsupervised. Mine all came home that same night and did just fine, I remember we had to get Casey in a very bad blizzard, no way was he staying there overnight unsupervised. Thank goodness for 4WD trucks! Rileys two surgeries were in nice weather so it was much easier, was very hard taking Casey out in the winter. Poor chicken leg got really cold! We stayed home for a week after then drove back to FL for the rest of the winter, was so much easier when we got back to FL for pottying.

I will be thinking about you two next Wednesday and praying all goes well. Just listen to your vet about crating, it is hard to keep them crated for 6-8 weeks. Hugs to you and Gromit.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:01 pm 
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We were talking about this problem at a dog show last month from one of the top handlers with lots of history in his background. What he told me the buff and black are weak bone dogs, the parti cockers are much larger boned dog.

There's a forth option stem cells and it has been mentioned in here some where. Caring For Your Cocker.

My cocker tore his two to three years ago and it took about a year he could jump again. I was ready to do the stem cell in the rear knee joint. When his cushing exploded.

Anyone with a parti cocker with a torn acl on the forum?

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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:20 am 
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STEM CELLS MediVet stem cell technology

https://www.zimfamilycockers.com/Forums ... 35&t=12480


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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
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This is seven years old that has been on the market. today it's not shipped out any longer it's in office stem cells repair. Not all vets do this they don't know about this.

Watching Dr. Pol they put a cask on the dog's rear leg for a month to repair a hunting dog. I think they were hunting wild pigs when the ACL was torn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ZUKNE69tg

Want to know if a real parti cocker has had a torn ACL. I do know buff and blacks have this problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
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Just checking in with you to see how Gromit is doing after surgery. I know my dog was a little "off" for a few days, probably from some pain and the trauma of the surgery and meds. She bounced out of it after 2 or three days. Hope all went well. Teri


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 Post subject: Re: Turkeys' revenge
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Gromit came home yesterday afternoon. Vet said she had a complete ccl tear as well as a torn meniscus. She ended up having tplo surgery, and vet expects a full recovery. She did warn me that there's a high probability of the other knee tearing in the near future, as this is a degenerative problem. Total cost of the surgery was just under $3400, and insurance will pay 80% of that after my $350 deductible.

It's times like this that I'm especially glad that she's well-trained. When it's time to ice down her knee, I just tell her to lay down and she does, and doesn't move for 10-15 minutes while the ice packs are around her leg. Then, I tell her "go crate" and she just walks (hops!) into the pen that I have set up for her in the living room.

This morning, when I let her out I opened the front door and what do we see? The whole flock of turkeys in the front yard, right outside the door!!! I could swear that Gromit just gave them a dirty look like "this is all your fault, damn turkeys!" She's in enough pain that she wasn't interested in them much, plus she was on a short leash (just for a situation like that).

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