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 Post subject: Canine Flu Vaccine
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:01 pm 
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As anyone given their Cocker the flu vaccine?
I live in Central Florida & it was required to have them groomed.
First shot the very next day diarrhea. Three weeks later for booster,
still diarrhea. I informed the vet she had this reaction, he said it
wasn't the vaccine & gave some probiotics. So booster given, diarrhea
worst probiotics not working. And I have been feeding boiled chicken
& rice. Take her back they put her on antibiotics. Almost a week later
now she is pooping blood. Calling them again in the morning to go back.
I will not do the flu shot again. My cockers don't usually go to dog parks, but
it was required for grooming. The other cocker is still having mushy stools
but nothing like Luna. I'm getting really concerned.


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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:14 pm 
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I have never given my dog this shot so I don't know if this is a normal reaction. Has your vet said that this shot is needed? Has there been an outbreak of the Flu in your area? I don't think I'd give it again either. Hindsight... not sure I'd have allowed the vet to give the booster to a dog obviously ill. But I understand your decision, especially when your vet is telling you it will be ok.

Has Luna had boiled chicken and rice before and did it help her symptoms get better? The reason I ask is my dog used to go through digestion distress a lot when she was younger. I found through trial and error that she was chicken sensitive. So my giving her chicken was not helpful. Instead I'd brown lean ground beef and rinse it well to get the fat off. That worked for her. Also there is a product by Honest Kitchen called Perfect Form ( https://www.thehonestkitchen.com/supplements-57 ). I swear by this stuff for tummy issues! Don't forget to get some probiotics when Luna is done with her antibiotics.

As for the groomer.. I know they think they are protecting your dog from this flu bug and I know it is highly contagious ... but personally, I'd find a new groomer. I hate when someone tells me I HAVE to vaccinate my dog. I'm happy to read any information they provide and take it under consideration... but unless it's required by law (like rabies) it should be my option. If you love the groomer and want to stay... ask if they will take an exemption and get one from your vet.

I hope Luna is feeling better soon

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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Wow! I'm sorry this happened to your cockers! I have no advice and what I'm going to say doesn't help, but I avoid unnecessary vaccines. As much as I love my groomer, if they required a flu shot I'd have to go somewhere else.

Before we adopted Buddy, who was temporarily living on a farm with a bunch of other dogs, we gave our other dogs the bortadella vaccine. I swear Ruger was not himself for a few days afterwards.

I believe these vaccines can cause bad reactions in dogs. I'm surprised, kind of, that your vet would do the booster after what happened.

Here are a couple articles that might help.

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/he ... 2093640463

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/he ... fiber.aspx

I hope your cockers feel better soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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I also live in Central Florida, and train and compete in Agility with Gromit, so I did get the flu vaccine for her. Dogs at a show in DeLand contracted it, and that's less than 20 miles from me. Before I agreed to the vaccine, I talked about it to my vet. He assured me that their practice (3 vets) had not seen any adverse reactions in the dogs they administered them to, and that other practices were also not seeing bad reactions. Gromit had absolutely no reaction to either shot. She was her normal, bouncy, happy self both times.

I'm sorry your pups are not feeling well. I hope they get their wiggle-butts back real soon!

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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So I took Luna back in this morning. They are keeping her there
tonight. She is a mama's girl. She is ok when I go up town, but
she doesn't do well if I'm gone all night. She doesn't eat, she throws
up. The vet called to inform that she was still agitated & panting
a lot. I told her she gets anxious went she isn't home. They did some
scans & found some soft tissue mass in her intestines. Will be doing
a ultra sound in the morning. I just can't wrap my mind around this.
Is this from the vaccine or was there a underlining issue. She was
fine & in 24 hours to six weeks later here we are.

Thank you for your thoughts.
Debbie


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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:43 am 
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Aww Debbie. So sorry you're going through this. Poor Luna. Will be praying for her and you. (((Hugs)))


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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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When she she comes home try pumpkin in her food. After what Oliver been through your dog could have a poor liver and gallbladder. If you ever go back to the same VET you want to read that label to see what is in it shot.

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:10 pm 
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Vet called today. Ultrasound done. They suspect a disease
called pythiosis, some kind of fungus mold found in tropical
climates. Has anyone else heard of this. Reading about it worries
me a lot. It sounds like a very bad outcome. It seems the more
I read the worst it gets.

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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How scary. I have never heard of this. If you're in central Florida, you may want to consider a trip to UF veterinary college in Gainesville for a 2nd opinion/evaluation.

Prayers for a speedy and full recovery!

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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Awfully sorry to read all this. It seems like such a horrible coincidence. Could the vaccine have weakened the immune system, so she was unable to fight the infection? Is it even possible to fight off a fungal infection if it is early?

Once she is on the path to recovery, I wonder if Diatomaceous earth will help dry up or fight the fungus in her intestines. Please try it if advisable. Here is an article on how DE fights fungus and other bad bacteria.

http://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com ... infections

I wish Luna a speedy recovery.

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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Picked Luna up from vet. Sent the blood test off to lab in Louisiana for
Pythiosos. Will be 5 to 7 business days for results. They are treating her
with prednisone, two pain meds, antinause meds, diarrhea meds &
probiotics. The said they said they have only treated one other dog
for this. If test comes back positive I will have to test my other cocker.
Thank you for your thoughts & prayers.

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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Luna's Mom wrote:
Vet called today. Ultrasound done. They suspect a disease
called pythiosis, some kind of fungus mold found in tropical
climates. Has anyone else heard of this. Reading about it worries
me a lot. It sounds like a very bad outcome. It seems the more
I read the worst it gets.

Debbie


That's what I meant blood panel and ultra sound. Good for you. Sorry for the sad news. With bad stools and the blood work with the ultrasound will show the problems. We have had two in three months, possible cancer they don't know unless they go in. Liver, gallbladder, pancreas and spleen, and the stroke all caused by his cushings. One day at the time. I don't wish this on anyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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Debbie, I'm so sorry. I hope it's not that disease. It sounds scary. I'm not going to look it up though or I'll become paranoid of it.

I agree with Cici's mom. I'd be willing to try anything, especially something natural that shouldn't have any bad side effects. Keeping Luna in my prayers.


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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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The update on Luna is she is positive for Pythiosis. Please keep her in your thoughts. She has started treatment, survival rate is about 10%. The cause of pythiosis is pythium insidiosum a kind of plant fungus. But it isn't a fungus, so anti fungal drugs don't work. The treatment will be hyperbaric oxygen chamber at least 3 times a week. A herbicide once a day for 3 months. And prednisone & antibiotic. Possible radiation.

Vet recommend having other cocker tested.

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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I am so sorry that you and Luna are going thru this. It sounds awful. I'll be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers, and send hugs to you both.

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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This is such a horrible thing to go through. I am SO very sorry. I had never heard of this disease. My best wishes and thoughts are with you.

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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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Just wanted to say I'm thinking of you and keeping my fingers crossed for you guys. :hp


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 Post subject: Re: Canine Flu Vaccine
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Luna's Mom wrote:
The update on Luna is she is positive for Pythiosis. Please keep her in your thoughts. She has started treatment, survival rate is about 10%. The cause of pythiosis is pythium insidiosum a kind of plant fungus. But it isn't a fungus, so anti fungal drugs don't work. The treatment will be hyperbaric oxygen chamber at least 3 times a week. A herbicide once a day for 3 months. And prednisone & antibiotic. Possible radiation.

Vet recommend having other cocker tested.

I


I'm so so sorry. What a horrible sounding disease. Never heard of it but feel I should look into it. I'm in FL too. I'm praying that Luna will overcome this horrible disease. Sending hugs to Luna and you.


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