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 Post subject: Merry Christmas -- Oliver, cocker spaniel
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It has been so long since we've last been here, but we wanted to make a point to stop in and wish all on the Zim Forum a very Merry Christmas. We've had a very long and difficult year, but also one rich with blessings. Oliver will be celebrating his 12th birthday on New Years day. For the most part, he is still happy and as loving as ever -- still a character, but unfortunately he's lost most of his eyesight and hearing. He was trained using both verbal "requests" and hand signals in the event that he lost his hearing or sight as he grew older. We are working on "touch" signals to communicate. Right now it's a work in progress, but luckily, we are pretty good at reading each others minds, and Oliver still loves learning new things. The weather has been unseasonably mild here in the northeast, so we have been able to get out and Oliver can go exploring with his nose. If anyone has and experience with working with a blind and deaf dog, I'd love to hear from you.

We wish all a happy and blessed holiday season.


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 Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas -- Oliver, cocker spaniel
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Sweet Oliver, you will always have a special place in my heart. Merry Christmas. :love


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I am so sorry to hear that Oliver is losing his sight and hearing. As long as he knows you are there for him, it won't matter. I'm sure he misses his fish. :sad
We have missed you and Oliver on the forum. Many wishes for a very Happy Birthday, Oliver, and a very Merry Christmas to you and your family.

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 Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas -- Oliver, cocker spaniel
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Oliver!! You are still adorable as ever, especially so with the added gray!! So sorry the hearing/sight is going, our first cocker was that way about the same age. Hoping Maya (who is 9, 10 in May) will keep hers a little longer. I bet Oliver misses seeing his fish!! How are you doing Cindy? Hope all is well with you too! Merry Christmas to you and your family (two grandkids, right??).

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He's a handsome fellow and looks so happy despite his loss of sight and hearing. Happy Holidays to you and Oliver!

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Merry Christmas to you, your family and our dearest Oliver!

Have you tried training Ollie with scent in combination with touch? Their eyes and ears might age, but their noses are as sharp as ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas -- Oliver, cocker spaniel
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Merry Christmas to Oliver and your family!

Although I have a completely blind dog, she does have her hearing and it has surely has helped her navigate. She does bump into things sometimes especially when there are background noises. She bumps 'softer' now than when she first went blind. She has been blind for 1 year now (glaucoma, try as we might with drops, could not stop the spikes that damaged the optic nerve). It was devastating to me at first. Each collision, the change in personality, the loss of so much for her was so hard for me. I could not even talk about her without crying. So, the reason I'm telling you this is because I want you to know it does get better. I've accepted it, she has accepted it, and although it isn't perfect, I still have my dog to love. Her other senses have amplified and that makes it easier for her.

My girl loves her walks and we try to go daily. I think it's especially important to get her out as she is much less active and it also gives her more stimulus. On a leash you would not know she was blind. She marches out in front of me at a trot, and trusts me to guide her. Sometimes I mess up and let her run into something, oh it makes me feel so bad, but she still trusts me!

There is a harness with a protector bar that bumps into things before their face does. I don't remember what it is called, (it was something with 'angel' in the name).This might be a good option for Oliver since you can't warn him verbally when he is about to hit something.

As mentioned, scent training might be good. My dog's vet suggested that I put a scent, such as mint, in spots to help her navigate. I haven't tried that either. And of course, touch is so important if you can get there in time!

I know that we are told not to rearrange any furniture, but I have moved a few things around and she does learn the new arrangement. They are so smart! We have a 5th wheel and go camping and she has that figured out too.

Good luck. I know you will do great as you are always teaching Oliver and training him to think . You have instilled in him a strong work ethic and I'm sure you both will rise to the challenge!

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 Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas -- Oliver, cocker spaniel
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Merry Christmas Cindy and Oliver!

I'm so sorry to hear about Oliver's hearing and eyesight loss! I know how hard that is to deal with! My previous dog, Ivy, had lost both as she aged too. Like you we thought we were good because we had taught both verbal and hand signals. :dk So much for forethought huh?

Here are a couple ideas we used with Ivy:

Put the same texture rug at the top and bottoms of and staircases.
Touch is a good thing... we had a tapping system to indicate different commands. One tap = sit. Two = down Three = want to go outside... etc.. (of course you have to be close for these)
Don't forget you can stomp... they can still feel the vibrations on the floor it's good for getting attention.
There are vibrating collars you can purchase (we never used one since I didn't know about them at the time) They use them for deaf dogs.
Yes, try to keep everything in it's place and don't leave things lying around. (do as I say not as I did LOL... Adam was a toddler when Ivy went blind).
I didn't use it but I agree with the scent idea.

One thing I'm doing with Chesapeake is I make sure when I'm loving her that I get right next to her with my lips touching her and tell her what a good girl she is... If she ever loses her hearing she will still "feel" what I'm telling her even when she can no longer hear me.

Good luck with Oliver.... he's still one of my favorites!!!

Merry Christmas to you and yours....






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 Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas -- Oliver, cocker spaniel
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Julie S. wrote:
Sweet Oliver, you will always have a special place in my heart. Merry Christmas. :love

Hi Julie! It's so good to see you still here. We hope that you had a wonderful Christmas with your two and four legged family. (((Hugs)))!

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 Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas -- Oliver, cocker spaniel
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Terry T. wrote:
I am so sorry to hear that Oliver is losing his sight and hearing. As long as he knows you are there for him, it won't matter. I'm sure he misses his fish. :sad
We have missed you and Oliver on the forum. Many wishes for a very Happy Birthday, Oliver, and a very Merry Christmas to you and your family.


Hi Terry! We are slowly making whatever adjustments we need to in order for Oliver to have the best quality of life, while keeping him safe. We added a 6x25' fenced in area accessed by Oliver's doggy door so that he can go in and out, but not be in any danger of falling into the pond or getting lost in the yard. This is strictly used for his "quick trips" (or the "i want to be out, no, I want to be in, wait, I want to be out") when one of us isn't right there with him. He still gets to help feed his fish ... and they still splash him ... and he's given a Cheerio or two when we do pond duty. The fish should have gone into hibernation two months ago, but with our crazy weather, they are still being fed daily! We have missed being on the forum -- it's been such a crazy busy time around here. I thought by this stage in my life I'd have time to do many of the things I want to do, but it seems being sandwiched between failing parents and their needs, being a caretaker grandma, and having a dog with special needs that can't be left alone, really doesn't leave much at the end of the day. We hope you had a wonderful Christmas, and are blessed with an amazing 2016. (((Hugs))) -- Cindy and Ollie

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 Post subject: Re: Merry Christmas -- Oliver, cocker spaniel
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Donna in WI wrote:
Oliver!! You are still adorable as ever, especially so with the added gray!! So sorry the hearing/sight is going, our first cocker was that way about the same age. Hoping Maya (who is 9, 10 in May) will keep hers a little longer. I bet Oliver misses seeing his fish!! How are you doing Cindy? Hope all is well with you too! Merry Christmas to you and your family (two grandkids, right??).


Hi Donna! I was just looking at your fabulous photos of your three. Wow, they look great and it seems Bella has made you very proud. Oliver still gets to visit and get splashed by his fish ... and gets a treat for helping to feed them. He still needs to feel useful. He adores our two little granddaughters. Emily will be five in March, and Julia just turned two! Talk about time flying by, LOL. The girls LOVE Oliver and are so gentle and loving towards him. Emily understands Oliver's limitations and has found her own way to communicate with him -- always gently stroking him and letting him press against her when they walk together. Julia watches and tries her best to emulate her older sister. We hope your holidays were everything you'd hoped and that 2016 will be the best year yet! -- (((Hugs))) Cindy and Oliver

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Cici wrote:
He's a handsome fellow and looks so happy despite his loss of sight and hearing. Happy Holidays to you and Oliver!


Hi Cici! I don't think we've met before, but am so glad to see you here on the Zim Forum. It is a magical place for cocker owners and lovers. Thank you for your kind words. We hope your holidays were special and full of love. -- Cindy and Oliver

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StellaR wrote:
Merry Christmas to you, your family and our dearest Oliver!

Have you tried training Ollie with scent in combination with touch? Their eyes and ears might age, but their noses are as sharp as ever.


Hello, dear friend! We do have different scented candles in each room, and have put different textured carpeting at the top and bottom of the stairs. Luckily, Oliver's nose is as good as ever. One of our favorite games is hiding kibble or treats around a room for him to search out. When he's hunting, the tail never stops! We hope your holidays were wonderful and full of puppy paws and wet noses. Love and (((Hugs))) to everyone! -- Cindy and Oliver

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Teri in Idaho wrote:
Merry Christmas to Oliver and your family!

Although I have a completely blind dog, she does have her hearing and it has surely has helped her navigate. She does bump into things sometimes especially when there are background noises. She bumps 'softer' now than when she first went blind. She has been blind for 1 year now (glaucoma, try as we might with drops, could not stop the spikes that damaged the optic nerve). It was devastating to me at first. Each collision, the change in personality, the loss of so much for her was so hard for me. I could not even talk about her without crying. So, the reason I'm telling you this is because I want you to know it does get better. I've accepted it, she has accepted it, and although it isn't perfect, I still have my dog to love. Her other senses have amplified and that makes it easier for her.

My girl loves her walks and we try to go daily. I think it's especially important to get her out as she is much less active and it also gives her more stimulus. On a leash you would not know she was blind. She marches out in front of me at a trot, and trusts me to guide her. Sometimes I mess up and let her run into something, oh it makes me feel so bad, but she still trusts me!

There is a harness with a protector bar that bumps into things before their face does. I don't remember what it is called, (it was something with 'angel' in the name).This might be a good option for Oliver since you can't warn him verbally when he is about to hit something.

As mentioned, scent training might be good. My dog's vet suggested that I put a scent, such as mint, in spots to help her navigate. I haven't tried that either. And of course, touch is so important if you can get there in time!

I know that we are told not to rearrange any furniture, but I have moved a few things around and she does learn the new arrangement. They are so smart! We have a 5th wheel and go camping and she has that figured out too.

Good luck. I know you will do great as you are always teaching Oliver and training him to think . You have instilled in him a strong work ethic and I'm sure you both will rise to the challenge!

Teri


Oh, Teri, my heart goes out to you. When we love an animal so much, it's hard to accept that they are having difficulties. I know you will do all in your power to make things as easy as possible for your little girl. All we can do is our best. I would do just about anything to help Oliver and make life easier for him, and will continue to do so as long as he is happy and has a quality of life. I don't even want to think of the day when that fateful decision will have to be made, but I know I owe it to him to make the right decision when it is time. I think that Oliver can still see some light and shadows. His blindness was do to a vet not properly treating his eyes while is was under anesthesia to remove a tumor on his foot two years ago. We have been working with an eye specialist, but there is little more that can be done. I've seen the "Angel's Halo" used on some smaller dogs. So far, we haven't had a huge problem with Oliver bumping into things, but he will wander off into the yard and get confused and needs rescuing -- he has also fallen off the bridge twice, so he is no longer allowed to cross on his own. When we are out and about, I now keep a 1/4" thick check cord attached to his collar so I can grab it if I see him having a problem. Oliver is NEVER left alone. Someone is always here with him, or he goes with us wherever we are. Oliver continues to go to work with my husband about one day per week -- sometimes more if I have to be at my daughter's house during the week to watch the girls. It's good for him to be out and about with other people and new experiences. My husband's employees and customers adore Oliver and tend to spoil him. Oliver has always been "a dog with a job" so we are trying to come up with helping tasks for him -- like carrying something for me. I hope that we can both find ways of keeping our babies happy. I'm always open to new ideas, and am happy to share anything we find that might work. Take care. I hope your holidays are everything you hoped and that the new year ahead will be amazing. (((Hugs))), Cindy

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Merry Christmas Cindy and Oliver!

I'm so sorry to hear about Oliver's hearing and eyesight loss! I know how hard that is to deal with! My previous dog, Ivy, had lost both as she aged too. Like you we thought we were good because we had taught both verbal and hand signals. :dk So much for forethought huh?

Here are a couple ideas we used with Ivy:

Put the same texture rug at the top and bottoms of and staircases.
Touch is a good thing... we had a tapping system to indicate different commands. One tap = sit. Two = down Three = want to go outside... etc.. (of course you have to be close for these)
Don't forget you can stomp... they can still feel the vibrations on the floor it's good for getting attention.
There are vibrating collars you can purchase (we never used one since I didn't know about them at the time) They use them for deaf dogs.
Yes, try to keep everything in it's place and don't leave things lying around. (do as I say not as I did LOL... Adam was a toddler when Ivy went blind).
I didn't use it but I agree with the scent idea.

One thing I'm doing with Chesapeake is I make sure when I'm loving her that I get right next to her with my lips touching her and tell her what a good girl she is... If she ever loses her hearing she will still "feel" what I'm telling her even when she can no longer hear me.

Good luck with Oliver.... he's still one of my favorites!!!

Merry Christmas to you and yours....







Hi Lisa, I'm sorry that you've had to deal with something similar, but do appreciate your feed-back. I have different scented candles in each room, and have textured carpets at the top and bottom of the stairs. I haven't used the vibrations ... but that sounds like something we can look into, especially a vibrating collar. Using a light check cord has helped in some circumstances. It's short and light enough where Oliver doesn't feel that he is on a leash ... although he is on a leash when out and about, and that's fine with him. We hope your Christmas was wonderful and that 2016 will be an amazing year for you and yours. (((Hugs))), Cindy and Oliver

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