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 Post subject: Pronounced stop?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:10 am 
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I am always trying to understand the cocker standard better.

"Skull--Rounded but not exaggerated with no tendency toward flatness; the eyebrows are clearly defined with a pronounced stop"

What exactly is meant by a "pronounced stop" ? Does pronounced refer to the little indentation area between the eyes? Or does it mean the stop should be more vertical of an angle? Something else?

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 Post subject: Re: Pronounced stop?
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The stop is that area between the eyes, where the bridge of the nose meets the forehead. In a lot of companion Cockers, you will see a more gradual stop . . . more of a gentle curve. You want your finger to STOP there if you try to run your finger from your dog's nose to his neck, up over the top of the skull. Misty had a GREAT stop, it's very pronounced. So does Jack Jack. Most show-bred Cockers do . . . it's not an element that is particularly lacking in show lines.

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 Post subject: Re: Pronounced stop?
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Picture quality is poor, but I just took this pic of Echo's stop this morning. She is 13 1/2 weeks old.


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 Post subject: Re: Pronounced stop?
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So more vertical and not a gradual sloping.

Thanks and thanks for the compliment on Misty, Kelly.

Marianne, Echo has such a pretty little head :hp When the time comes, you will definitely have to keep us updated on her show career.

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I didnt know this either - good to know!

...and Echo is beautiful. :hp

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 Post subject: Re: Pronounced stop?
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So for those of us just learning how to evaluate such things, would I be correct if I said Echo's stop is perfect? Sure looks good to me. As does her beautiful face and head! Just love that little girl. :hp

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Yes, right now Echo has a beautiful stop. One thing that some (not all!) puppies do as they age is "plain out" - the stop kind of disappears, which gives the head a less pretty look. Sometimes folks that are newer to conformation freak out at this stage, because they think their pretty puppy has disappeared. Don't worry - it will come back!

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So if I understand you correctly, if the nice stop was there when they were younger, it will be there as an adult? In the horse world, we say what you see at 3 days, 3 months, or 3 years is what you get. Ignore everything else in between. Is this what you mean about the stop?

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I have heard the planing out stage is referred to as the ugly puppy stage, poor puppies!

In puppies, many say evals should be done at 8 weeks, using the same logic; that at 8 weeks this is fairly good representation of the adult dog.

I was also told that starting at 8 weeks, the pups 'come back together' every 4 weeks.
Echo was eval'd at 8 weeks, and again at 12 weeks.
I am hoping she continues to have the feisty, kick-butt attitude with which she currently terrorizes the big dogs. :goof

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If it comes out here is a picture of my girl Tango. She has a very pronounced stop that I think you might be able to see in this picture.

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Sherry@WildSwan wrote:
So if I understand you correctly, if the nice stop was there when they were younger, it will be there as an adult? In the horse world, we say what you see at 3 days, 3 months, or 3 years is what you get. Ignore everything else in between. Is this what you mean about the stop?


That's exactly it - in Cavaliers, we say that what you see at 8 weeks is what you'll mostly get as an adult - ignore anything between 4 and 9 months! :tg

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