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 Post subject: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:52 pm 
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Oh my goodness. Take a look at this article from Dr. Jean Dodds. An explanation from a very well-respected vet on copper toxicosis in our beloved breed, what it is, how it causes other diseases, and how to deal with and/or prevent it. Think pancreatitis and liver cancers and IMHA.
Please, we need to be sharing this information.

http://drjeandoddspethealthresource.tum ... PcaC8ZzqKp


(Edited to add link, thanks for reminding me, Debbie)

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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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Chris, did you intend to post a link?

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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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Just another reason not to feed commercial diet, some dogs need a bit of copper. The Bedlington terrier and the cocker spaniel (after reading this ,thanks Chris) certainly don't, watch the supplements.


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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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Thanks for posting this information Chris! Just out of curiosity, I wonder if those who have cockers who have suffered from pancreatitis and IMHA would share with us what they were feeding their dogs prior. It would be interesting to see if this holds true among our Zim community.

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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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It just never seems to end. My girls eat Lamb as their protein and it's one of the highest. :OMY Abby can't eat chicken, fish, or high protein food. I'm going to have to figure this out.

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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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debbiefive wrote:
It just never seems to end. My girls eat Lamb as their protein and it's one of the highest. :OMY Abby can't eat chicken, fish, or high protein food. I'm going to have to figure this out.


If its a commercial diet then probably extra added on top, if you are supplementing then add a bit more


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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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James wrote:
debbiefive wrote:
It just never seems to end. My girls eat Lamb as their protein and it's one of the highest. :OMY Abby can't eat chicken, fish, or high protein food. I'm going to have to figure this out.


If its a commercial diet then probably extra added on top, if you are supplementing then add a bit more

James you lost me but I'm interested

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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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Chris I am reading Dr. Dodds book on thyroid epedimic right now. It touches on other diseases also and this is one she cautions about if you are supplementing your dog's diet. The correct amount of Copper is needed for maintaining a healthy immune system and thyroid function but too much can cause this disease and liver failure.

I would have never thought that cruciferious vegies would not be good for a dog but if you have a thyroid dog you should not feed them. I am learning so much about thyroid, antibiotics, vaccinations and other immune diseases from this book. She also has one out on diet that I have not gotten to yet but as soon as I get done with this one I will be breaking into it. I highly recommend this book The Canine Thyroid Epidemic to everyone. Joe in North Bay put me on to it. I am glad he did. I am sure Dr. Dodds has other books out that I need to read and will be looking for them. Thank you for sharing this information.


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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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debbiefive wrote:
James wrote:
debbiefive wrote:
It just never seems to end. My girls eat Lamb as their protein and it's one of the highest. :OMY Abby can't eat chicken, fish, or high protein food. I'm going to have to figure this out.


If its a commercial diet then probably extra added on top, if you are supplementing then add a bit more

James you lost me but I'm interested


So kibble has extra copper added because some dogs need it, every supplement seems to have copper in the ingredients, are you sure it's protein and not fat? try boiling some chicken breast and pour off all the fat, mix with 50% potato, that's the only way you will really know if it's protein or fat,although I'm sure you know your dog better than I do.


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 Post subject: Re: "Copper Storage Disease" Pancreatitis and IMHA
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Well _some_ kibble has copper added, for some of it the ingredients are just naturally higher in copper, like the salmon and sweet potato that I've been feeding my dogs. I talked with my vet about it and he is of the opinion that it's the ones with copper _added_ that contribute to this issue. And he said that an easy way to monitor and prevent it is annual blood tests AND a vet that knows that elevated copper levels ARE a big deal for cockers.

That is part of why I posted this here- for everyone to be aware and question your vet about anything that comes back outside of normal range, or even anything that is going in the wrong direction from year to year, even if it is still in the "normal" range.

UC Davis is doing major amounts of research on this right now, and I imagine others are too. Everyone is looking for reasons and treatment for the thyroid, pancreatitis, IMHA, and liver disease issues.

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