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 Post subject: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:24 pm 
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I have been thinking about doing Rally with Roxy. Since Gracie will be starting shows for Obedience, I thought it would be nice for Roxy to compete too. Roxy thrives on praise and attention and her temperament is far better suited to Rally. Here's the problem...

NO ONE in my area teaches it. Colleen walked me through the signs at the Up North looza. I have the AKC Obedience/Rally Regulations Book. Our trainer has never done it or taught it, but has a kit with all the signs and stands for the signs - at least I think that is what the metal stands are for. :dontknow:

So Rally people - where do I find how to set up a course? I want to practice and need help! Any suggestions, pointers or help is much appreciated. Oh, and am I :Goofy: to try this without taking a class??!!

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
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Hi Karen-
I think if you can do obedience, you can do rally. The trick is for you to learn the signs, and I think Roxy will do fine. I know some of the signs looked intimidating when I first saw them, but they actually turned out pretty easy. When you break out just the novice signs, it looks even easier. Most of them are just turns. I have not done obedience, but from what I understand, Rally is not nearly as exact as obedience. (A crooked sit may lose a point, but it is better than losing 3 by repeating the sign.)

When we first started, I bought a DVD from ebay which helped. I have since found a site on youtube that I like even better:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RallyJudge
She is a rally judge, and shows good and bad both in her videos. I think she also has a DVD at: http://www.dogagility.org/store/

I also joined the yahoo groups rally list. I was able to pick up quite a bit there too. Make sure to checkout the files.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rally-obed/

I have saved the courses from our shows and some that we used at class. I'd be happy to send you copies, just pm your address to me. I think between Hollie, Mary, Colleen & myself ...we can get you through! I know Colleen helped give me some confidence to compete!

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:20 pm 
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Thank you Susan! I will pm you my address. So am I correct in understanding that the first 15 signs in the AKC regulations book are the 15 I need to learn for novice or do I need to learn them all?

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
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Hi Karen,

I didn't look at those links to You Tube, etc., but they sound like a good thing to look at. I'm sure you can do it with no classes. Just read the book, study the signs, and do a lot of practice. The things I found important to remember are:

1. Make sure that you always try to keep up the pace. Don't let your dog lag and slow you down. The dog actually does better if you keep up a brisk pace and in the end the scores are important, but I have had a tie breaker for placement with Coco several times and the fastest time will take the placement with two identical scores. So 3 seconds can make the difference.

2. Keep the rally signs on your right and stop right at or just before the sign to perform the exercise. If the sign is in the middle of your path, that means there will be a change of direction and you perform the exercise right in front of the sign.

3. Make sure every time you see that Halt sign (stopsign) on the station sign that your dog actually sits all the way down before you continue with the exercise. Same way with Down - make sure their elbows hit the ground before continuing. I found myself not giving coco enough time to get all the way into the down positon or the sit position before giving the next command and as a result I am sure I lost points for incorrectly performed exercises.

4. It's better to re-do a station and lose 3 points than lose the whole 10 by moving on when you know you have performed it incorrectly. Not counting poor postion, of course. A little out of position on the sits and downs isn't a dealbreaker. But failure to perform and a 10 point loss is very bad. Go ahead and re-do the station if you know you've done it wrong.

5.; The judge will always give the opportunity during the 10 minute walk through prior to the class for you to ask questions. Don't hesitate to clarify if a sign doesn'tmake sense to you or you have any doubt about what is being asked of you. The judges are just great about explaining things during the walk through. And generally you can go back after the class is finished and ask to see your score sheet and have the judge explain where you lost your points. They are mostly very helpful about that too.

6. Almost every Rally class I've been in the judges have talked about people losing a lot of points on the Call front, 1, 2, 3 back. Remember to count your backward steps and don't take any extra little correction steps. A step is a step, count them. Call the dog to your front position and make sure it sits all the way down, then step back with one foot and bring the other foot back to meet it - that is one step - calling the dog to front at the same time you are moving - and it's ok to tell them to sit when they get there if they are hesitating. Take one more step back with one foot and the other step back with the other foot, bring the first foot back to meet it, that's two steps - calling the dog to front as you are moving and getting him into the sit at front position before doing it again, the next one being one, two, three - same thing on the third step you bring the other foot back to meet it, but don't do any other shuffeling of the feet. Feet are very important in this exercise and it is in just about every Rally Course I've been on. And also from experience I can tell you that I always take too big of steps. My trainer keeps telling me that small steps for small dogs are time savers in this exercise. No sense in making the dog move any further than it needs to. So practice that back, back, back with small steps.

7. the other thing everybody loses a lot of points on is tight leash. Talk to your dog, encourage her, coax her, tell her what you want her to do, but don't tug on that leash. A good way to practice this is to just stick the leash in your pocket and practice heeling and making turns without using the leash. Make sure she is keeping up with you. I kept slowing down trying to get Coco up to heel and the slower I went the more she lagged. As soon as I got it that I needed to pick up the pace and INVITE her to come along, everything went a lot better. I had to do a little "posting" with her on the corner lags, but after she got caught on the wrong side of a tree or a street sign a few times she started sticking pretty close to my side.

8. Make sure you are right on the start line when you start. Don't waste a foot by standing back a bit. Get right up next to it. And don't break your pace until you are completely through the finish sign. That stop watch doesn't stop til you are clear through the finish line. Time counts.

And yes, you can do this easily without classes. Classes are helpful because there is someone there with a lot of experience cluing you in to what to expect and where you will lose points. But there were a lot of people in my Rally Classes who never took a class, just read the book and signed up. So go for it. I will try to get you a link to Diane's website - that is my friend and trainer. She has a lot of good info on that site about Rally, but for some reason tongiht I could not get on the site. When I do I will send you the link. You can always e-mail her with questions too. She's very helpful.

Right off the top of my head I can't think of anything else, but if I do, I'll e-mail you. Once you have done this the first time, you'll be good to go the next time. It gets easier every time I go in the ring. And you having already been competing in Obedience, this will b e a pice of cake for you.

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
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Oh, one more thing. Communication. Not only do the judges like to see you communicating with your dog because it shows teamwork, but talking to your dog and encouraging them and praising them and directing them and letting them know what you want from them is just a gift in Rally. In no other obedience competition will you get to do this, so take advantage of it. Lots of talking to the dog. I had a hard time learning to do this because I was trying so hard to get Coco to just respond to one command. Once I started talking to her and keeping up the communication everthing got a lot better. She really enjoys the attention and responds very well to the encouragement.

Good luck. Can't wait to hear about your first competition.

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
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Hi,
When I get back home I will mail you course maps from rally novice courses we have done. You will need to know all the signs that have an 'N' in the upper right hand corner. When you look at the signs in the rule book, I think the novice ones go to about #30. There will be about 15 signs used on a novice course.

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
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Susan, Mary, Colleen and Hollie - You are all the best! Thanks so much for all of your help. Susan and Colleen, the course maps will be of great help. Colleen, my first lesson with you helped me to see that this is something Roxy will really enjoy.

Hollie and I live less than an hour from each other. She has so generously offered to tutor me in person at her home.

Once again, I honestly don't know where I would be without this great forum and wonderful forum members who are always so willing to offer advice and encouragement! :-nzworthy:

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
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I *may* be teaching a Rally Novice class this fall, and would GREATLY appreciate copies of Rally Novice courses if folks are willing to share them . . . I can receive them by fax, email or mail. Just contact me at klad@shaw.ca

Also, if anybody can tell me what they got from Rally-O classes in particular, that would be helpful. Right now I'm trying to build the lesson plan and homework sheets, and advice and input is most definitely welcome!

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
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KLADCkrs wrote:
I *may* be teaching a Rally Novice class this fall, and would GREATLY appreciate copies of Rally Novice courses if folks are willing to share them . . . I can receive them by fax, email or mail. Just contact me at klad@shaw.ca

Also, if anybody can tell me what they got from Rally-O classes in particular, that would be helpful. Right now I'm trying to build the lesson plan and homework sheets, and advice and input is most definitely welcome!


Hi Colleen,

Since I was a complete beginner at everything when I got into Rally classes it was all new to me and I would never have even attempted to compete without the classes. But now that I have been in the ring a few times and am taking my 3rd dog through Rally classes I can tell you what I'm getting from them now. My trainer challenges me and the dog to do more and better - perfecting positions, going off lead in class, throwing in a lot of signs that are far more advanced than we are - like backing the dog up and doing 180 degree pivots. She makes the courses really challenging. I think she has a course program on her computer and she really throws us a lot of curves. And then she has mirrored courses with teams running the courses in competition with each other. We even had a practice show awhile back with two rings going at once and she had me entered in both rings wth all three dogs. We had a ring steward, judges, armbands, a fake AKC rep, had to check in and abide by all the rules. Even played the national anthem at the beginning of the show and had prizes and ribbons for the winners. One of the things that did for me was prepare me for multiple entries in different rings. She dliberately created ring conflicts for me and I had to go to the steward and ask to be moved around to try to accommodate the conflicts. So by the time a person gets done with one of Diane's Rally classes and you get to the real dog show the course is a breeze and everything is really easy. We've already faced the hardest stuff in class.

One of the things I really gained from the classes was the understanding of where you lose points and what the judges are looking for and what they like to see. She is really hard on us on tight leads and bad footwork and really hammers on people to communicate with their dogs and take advantage of the opportunity to have that communication in Rally because as we get into real obedience competition we lose that crutch. Perfecting positions is another thing that has been really helpful. Coco used to front sort of at an angle and was slow on the recall. But we have stopped Rally class several times and worked on nothing but recalls and positions. There's just so much I learned in class that I noticed a lot of other people weren't doing right when I got into the ring. I'm so very lucky that I had those classes to prepare me. By the time I got to my first competition Coco and I had a pretty good idea of what to expect and were able to make pretty good decisions out there in the ring. Even to the point of knowing when to ask to be excused by the judge when Lucky went crazy on me in Portland.

I'll pull my files and e-mail you all the rally courses I have. I am not sure I kept them all, but I think I have most of them.

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 Post subject: Re: RALLY - I NEED HELP!
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Mary,
It is Kelly that is might do the novice rally class.

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